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RE: IETF 55 EOS WG Minutes and Presentation



Thanks for the clarification Dave.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Harrington, David [mailto:dbh@enterasys.com]
> Sent: vrijdag 6 december 2002 15:45
> To: Wes Hardaker; Wijnen, Bert (Bert)
> Cc: Glenn Waters; eos@ops.ietf.org
> Subject: RE: IETF 55 EOS WG Minutes and Presentation
> 
> 
> Hi,
> 
> I was one of the people representing a vendor dependent on 
> stack vendor implementations. The two third party stacks we 
> use are from SNMP Research and Net-SNMP. A representative 
> from SNMP Research said they are already working on 
> implementing the draft, and a representative from Net-SNMP 
> said they are implementing the draft (surprise, surprise). I 
> made that statement during the meeting in response to Wes's 
> question of whether we'd be willing to ask our stack vendor 
> to implement this.
> 
> I think I was the one who questioned whether there was 
> benefit, but the concern was whether there was real benefit 
> for my company's **customers**. 
> 
> The operators have slapped our wrists for not paying adequate 
> attention to end-user needs; we need to consider the real 
> benefit to vendor's customers. I question whether the 
> features being discussed (here and in SMING) provide adequate 
> customer benefit to justify the disruption caused by 
> requiring SNMP stack updates to their deployed products.
> 
> dbh
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Wes Hardaker [mailto:hardaker@tislabs.com]
> > Sent: Thursday, December 05, 2002 3:33 PM
> > To: Wijnen, Bert (Bert)
> > Cc: Glenn Waters; eos@ops.ietf.org
> > Subject: Re: IETF 55 EOS WG Minutes and Presentation
> > 
> > 
> > >>>>> On Thu, 5 Dec 2002 21:10:41 +0100 , "Wijnen, Bert 
> > (Bert)" <bwijnen@lucent.com> said:
> > 
> > Bert> I came away with:
> > Bert> - Wes is willing to implement
> > Bert> - Some vendors would consider it, but would have to 
> > rely on their stack vendor to
> > Bert> do the implementation first
> > Bert> - Some were not sure there was benefit for their company
> >  
> > Bert> I did not get a warm feeling at that point. In fact I 
> was quite
> > Bert> disappointed with the response as to how many want to "help",
> > Bert> "review", "implement", "use" this technology.
> >  
> > Bert> Was that just me?
> > 
> > Well, I think I'm a bit more optimistic than that.  The 
> feeling I got
> > is that the bulking problem is by far the perceived largest problem.
> > I got the feeling people wanted it, but needed their stack providers
> > to supply it and may or may not be willing to actually ask 
> their stack
> > provides for it (which I thought was odd).  There are other vendors
> > interested in implementing it that I'm aware of (but I 
> can't speak for
> > them so I won't).
> > 
> > -- 
> > Wes Hardaker
> > Network Associates Laboratories
> > 
> > 
>